Is there more variation in European facial features than there is Oriental facial features?

I mean I think Europeans have more, there are tons of different nose shapes, mouth shapes, chin shapes, foreheads, hair colors, hair textures, eye colors. Yet all Orientals have dark brown hair, dark brown eyes, and flat faces. have they done any studies to actually see if one group shows more variation?Is there more variation in European facial features than there is Oriental facial features?
Gosh No. If you spend any time in the Asian countries,


(by the way, ';oriental'; is passe' dude. that is what the people of India are called), you will see an enormous variety of asian features and types. many are tall , some fat and some thin. The smaller size is from healthier diets high in vegetables and low in meat. Watch some SUMO matches from japan and you will see several different types with diverse features. The basic skin coloration has shades from white as a sheet to dark as a coffee bean with some few yellowish casts in between. Head sizes and shapes are just as diverese as europeans. With skin color, Northern Chinese people, for instance, are probably whiter than most so-called caucasians. they are truly white, not pinkish or tan like Caucasians. The Japanese emulate that look with their makeup for the Geishas. They are sure not trying to copy the western or northern european looks. China formerly was the greatest nation under the sun and ruled all of asia. Japan curried their favor. The asians in the Phillipine Island are so different from the Koreans for instance that one would never confuse them. The features are very distinctive between them. The indonesians differ from the Southeast Asians in Vietnam and Laos and Thailand despite their close proximity. the Okinawans are more like hairy Hawaiians than they are like Japanese. In fact they loathe the Japanese for conquering them , occupying them and treating them like second class citizens. nobody who knows asians would ever mistake the two. The variety of nose types goes from broad and flat to narrow and pointy. the ears are all different. the way their hair grows and the texture of the hair between asian people varies widely. Eye color can be coal black, greyish, dark or or light brown with gold flecks. Some is brown and curly, some black as coal and straight and thick. Some long and silky and shiny. others rough and dense and lackluster.


Eye size and width apart also varies quite a bit, as much as any race. Some eyes are extremely almond shaped like egyptians, and some are narrow slits, like eskimos, some are slanted up at the outer edges and some down at the outer edges. Some are like teardrops. some actually roundish. like some filipinos. Lucy Liu has two kinds, which makes her very cute. Cheekbomes vary a lot too.





Most of the Asians that emmigrated to America are of the same basic class or type and that makes the variety the Americans are familiar with somewhat less diverse. Chinese and Japanese are very diverse but also very class conscious and so some types do not intermarry. Thus the poor farmer class that was attracted to the opportunities in America from both China and Japan, are different from each other but similar to their countrymen of the same class. you do not often see the other classes or types of Asians because they do not leave. they are happy and successful at home in asia and would never think to leave and go to America to take menial jobs. So you may not be familiar with these types and looks. Most Japanese generally consider America to be a filthy slum with Barbarian people and do NOT want to move here or breed with us.


The Chinese people that have come here were obviously desperate and poor and most come from the same region or same few areas. the rich and powerful mandarin classes have never emigrated to anyplace. you must go there to see them


They are not gypsies and have strong ties to their motherland. they consider western society to be backwards and naive. They have a history of literature, military conquest, art, music, poetry. politics, religion and culture that is vastly older, deeper and more complicated than ours. They are fine featured compared to Laosins.





China actually discovered ';America'; before Columbus on their ships that were bigger than our aircraft carriers that could go to sea for many years. They could put the Pinta, the Nina and the Santa Maria in their rice hold. Their rulers considered the discovery unimportant and destroyed much of the material that was brought home ny their explorers before it could infect their civilization with the impure ideas.





They have thousands of different types of people that look nothing alike and they speak many dozens of different languages. China is really more like The United States of China, than just a single country. DNA test recently have revealed that many native American indian tribes are partly Chinese or Mongolian types. They worked their way here by land during the traumatic Ice ages and founded the so-called American Indian races that we ';discovered'; thousand of years later. (over the bridge up by alaska that has since been sunk.)


Consider Guam, and all the pacific islanders that have diverse asian types, like samoans and fiji islander etc. None look like the people from other Asian countries. India has many many millions of people that are also considered to be asians or ';orientals' and they are never mistaken for Chinese or japanese. the people of india are each very different and diverse and have few common features if you look closely. at least they have many types. the tibetans are very different from their chinese neighbors in looks and types. the northern chinese are so different from the southern Chinese as to be almost different races in looks. the ones in the south are very dark and the north types are very pale. very pale. white as sheets. their skin texture and facial features are vastly different from the ones in the south. the mountainous peoples are different from the plains peoples. Some are hairless and some are hairy. Asia is huge. HUGE! It dwarfs Europe in population so has more variation , not less. the dark hair and eyes is simply the dominant aspect of this genetic feature. Many europeans have black hair and dark eyes. Spain for instance. Soon all people will be a blend as the blue eyes and blonde hair recede into the misty fog of time and fade from memory.


The best study to do is to travel and open your eyes. or get a subscription to national geographic and look at the pictures from around the world. The real question is why do all the darn europeans look so much alike. Must be a lot of inbreeding. I can spot a european in a group of american easily. Something about their features that is different, but hard to pinpoint. Maybe it is the inbreeding that gives them big noses or stark features or something odd. they have a history of each country separating themselves from other countries so have not blended as have Americans.Is there more variation in European facial features than there is Oriental facial features?
cos whites have mixed soooooooooo much. Report Abuse

Europe is like America, it is a meltiing pot of diversity!





You have to remember that Himalayas and extreme cold weather, probably, were the reasons why the East and West did not wander into each others gene pools.......





The authors of a paper published in 2003 identified a Y-chromosomal lineage present in about 8% of the men (or about 0.5% of the men in the world if extrapolated) in a large region of Asia stretching from the Pacific Ocean to the Caspian Sea. The paper asserts that the pattern of variation within the lineage suggested that it originated in Mongolia about 1,000 years ago. This indicates a spread too rapid to have occurred by chance, and must therefore be the result of selection. The authors propose that the lineage is carried by likely male-line descendants of Genghis Khan, and that it has spread not through any biological advantage, but through social selection resulting from their behavior.[7] The modern-day descendants of the Mughal royal family of India are also descendants of Genghis Khan (The Emperor Babur was a direct descendant of Genghis Khan through his mother).





I remember reading an article a few years ago about Asian genetics and it seems that this following report may help you..............





The Genetic Legacy of the Mongols





Received September 27, 2002; accepted for publication November 25, 2002; electronically published January 17, 2003.





We have identified a Y-chromosomal lineage with several unusual features. It was found in 16 populations throughout a large region of Asia, stretching from the Pacific to the Caspian Sea, and was present at high frequency: 8% of the men in this region carry it, and it thus makes up 0.5% of the world total. The pattern of variation within the lineage suggested that it originated in Mongolia 1,000 years ago. Such a rapid spread cannot have occurred by chance; it must have been a result of selection. The lineage is carried by likely male-line descendants of Genghis Khan, and we therefore propose that it has spread by a novel form of social selection resulting from their behavior.








* Present affiliation: Combinatorx, Boston


Present affiliation: National Institute of Dental and Craniofacial Research, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda.








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Address for correspondence and reprints: Dr. Chris Tyler-Smith, Department of Biochemistry, University of Oxford, South Parks Road, Oxford OX1 3QU, UK. E-mail: chris@bioch.ox.ac.uk


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The patterns of variation found in human DNA are usually considered to result from a balance between neutral processes and natural selection. Among the former, mutation, recombination, and migration increase variation, whereas genetic drift decreases it. Natural selection can act to remove deleterious variants (purifying selection), maintain polymorphism (balancing selection), or produce a trend (directional selection). Clear examples of the latter are rare in humans, but probable cases, such as those associated with resistance to malaria (Hamblin and Di Rienzo 2000) or unidentified pathogens (Stephens et al. 1998), can be recognized by the ';signature'; they leave in the genome. The rapid increase in frequency of the selected allele and its linked sequences results in a haplotype that is found at higher frequency than would be expected from its degree of variation. We have now identified such a haplotype on the Y chromosome, but we suggest that its spread results not from a biological advantage, but from human activities recorded in history.





In surveys of DNA variation in Asia, we typed 2,123 men with 32 markers to produce a Y haplotype for each man; these included 1,126 individuals described elsewhere (Qamar et al. 2002; Zerjal et al. 2002). Over 90% of the haplotypes showed the usual pattern (Mohyuddin et al. 2001): most males had a unique code; and the few haplotypes present in more than one individual were generally found within the same population. However, we also saw one pattern that was novel in two respects. First, there was a high frequency of a cluster of closely related lineages, collectively called the ';star cluster'; (fig. 1, shaded area). Second, star-cluster chromosomes were found in 16 populations throughout a large geographical area extending from Central Asia to the Pacific (fig. 2); thus, they do not result from an event specific to any single population. We can deduce the most likely time to the most recent common ancestor (TMRCA) and place of origin of this unusual lineage from the observed genetic variation. To do this, it is first necessary to distinguish star-cluster chromosomes from the remainder. For this, we used the criterion that haplotypes linked to the central one in the shaded area of the network without gaps would be included (fig. 1). We then used two approaches to calculate a TMRCA for the star-cluster chromosomes. The program BATWING (Wilson and Balding 1998) uses models of both mutation and population processes, which were specified as described elsewhere (Qamar et al. 2002). With this program, we estimated 1,000 years for the TMRCA (95% confidence interval limits 7001,300 years). The use of alternative demographic models with constant or exponentially increasing population size changed the estimate by %26lt;10%. A method that does not consider population structure (Morral et al. 1994), , suggested 860 (5901,300) years. In both calculations, we assumed a generation time of 30 years. The origin was most likely in Mongolia, where the largest number of different star-cluster haplotypes is found (fig. 1). Thus, a single male line, probably originating in Mongolia, has spread in the last 1,000 years to represent 8% of the males in a region stretching from northeast China to Uzbekistan. If this spread were due to a general population expansion, we would expect to find multiple lineages with the same characteristics of high frequency and presence in multiple populations, but we do not (Zerjal et al. 2002). The star-cluster pattern is unique.








Figure 1 Median-joining network (Bandelt et al. 1999) representing Y-chromosomal variation within haplogroup C*(xC3c). Chromosomes were typed with a minimum of 16 binary markers (Qamar et al. 2002; Zerjal et al. 2002; our unpublished observations), including RPS4Y and M48, to define the lineage C*(xC3c) (Y-Chromosome-Consortium 2002), also known as haplogroup 10, derived for RPS4Y and ancestral for M48. Sixteen Y microsatellites were also typed, but DYS19 was excluded from the network analysis because it is duplicated in haplogroup C. The central star-cluster profile is 10-16-25-10-11-13-14-12-11-11-11-12-8-10… for the loci DYS389I-DYS389b-DYS390-DYS391-DYS392-DYS… Circles represent lineages, area is proportional to frequency, and color indicates population of origin. Lines represent microsatellite mutational differences.








Figure 2 Geographical distribution of star-cluster chromosomes. Populations are shown as circles with an area proportional to sample size; star-cluster chromosomes are indicated by green sectors. The shaded area represents the extent of Genghis Khan's empire at the time of his death (Morgan 1986).








This rise in frequency, if spread evenly over 34 generations, would require an average increase by a factor of 1.36 per generation and is thus comparable to the most extreme selective events observed in natural populations, such as the spread of melanic moths in 19th-century England in response to industrial pollution (Edleston 1865). We evaluated whether it could have occurred by chance. If the population growth rate is known, it is possible to test whether the observed frequency of a lineage is consistent with its level of variation, assuming neutrality (Slatkin and Bertorelle 2001). Using this method, we estimated the chance of finding the low degree of variation observed in the star cluster, with a current frequency of 8%, under neutral conditions. Even with the demographic model most likely to lead to rapid increase of the lineage, double exponential growth, the probability was %26lt;10-237; if the mutation rate were 10 times lower, the probability would still be %26lt;10-10. Thus, chance can be excluded: selection must have acted on this haplotype.





Could biological selection be responsible? Although this possibility cannot be entirely ruled out, the small number of genes on the Y chromosome and their specialized functions provide few opportunities for selection (Jobling and Tyler-Smith 2000). It is therefore necessary to look for alternative explanations. Increased reproductive fitness, transmitted socially from generation to generation, of males carrying the same Y chromosome would lead to the increase in frequency of their Y lineage, and this effect would be enhanced by the elimination of unrelated males. Within the last 1,000 years in this part of the world, these conditions are met by Genghis (Chingis) Khan (c. 11621227) and his male relatives. He established the largest land empire in history and often slaughtered the conquered populations, and he and his close male relatives had many children. Although the Mongol empire soon disintegrated as a political unit, his male-line descendants ruled large areas of Asia for many generations. These included China, where the Yüan Dynasty emperors remained in power until 1368, after which the Mongols continued to dominate the country north of the Great Wall for several more centuries, and the region west to the Aral Sea, where the Chaghatai Khans ruled. Although their power diminished over time, they remained at Kashghar near the Kyrgyzstan/China border until the middle of the 17th century (Morgan 1986).





It is striking that the boundary of the Mongol empire when Genghis Khan died (fig. 2), which also corresponds to the boundaries of the regions controlled by later Khans, matches the distribution of star-cluster chromosomes closely, with one exception: the Hazaras. We, therefore, wished to compare Genghis Khan's Y profile with the star cluster. It is not possible to examine his remains directly, but history provides an alternative. The Hazaras of Pakistan have a Mongol origin (Qamar et al. 2002), and many consider themselves to be direct male-line descendants of Genghis Khan. A genealogy documenting these links has been constructed from their oral history (Mousavi 1998). A large proportion of the Hazara profiles do indeed lie in the star cluster, which is not otherwise seen in Pakistan (fig. 2), thus supporting their oral tradition and suggesting that Genghis Khan carried the star-cluster haplotype.





The Y chromosome of a single individual has spread rapidly and is now found in 8% of the males throughout a large part of Asia. Indeed, if our sample is representative, this chromosome will be present in about 16 million men, 0.5% of the world's total. The available evidence suggests that it was carried by Genghis Khan. His Y chromosome would obviously have had ancestors, and our best estimate of the TMRCA of star-cluster chromosomes lies several generations before his birth. Several scenarios, which are not mutually exclusive, could explain its rapid spread: (1) all populations carrying star-cluster chromosomes could have descended from a common ancestral population in which it was present at high frequency; (2) many or most Mongols at the time of the Mongol empire could have carried these chromosomes; (3) it could have been restricted to Genghis Khan and his close male-line relatives, and this specific lineage could have spread as a result of their activities. Explanation 1 is unlikely because these populations do not share other Y haplotypes, and explanation 2 is difficult to reconcile with the high Y-haplotype diversity of modern Mongolians (Zerjal et al. 2002). The historically documented events accompanying the establishment of the Mongol empire would have contributed directly to the spread of this lineage by Genghis Khan and his relatives, but perhaps as important was the establishment of a long-lasting male dynasty. This scenario shows selection acting on a group of related men; group selection has been much discussed (Wilson and Sober 1994) and is distinguished by the property that the increased fitness of the group is not reducible to the increased fitness of the individuals. It is unclear whether this is the case here. Our findings nevertheless demonstrate a novel form of selection in human populations on the basis of social prestige. A founder effect of this magnitude will have influenced allele frequencies elsewhere in the genome: mitochondrial DNA lineages will not be affected, since males do not transmit their mitochondrial DNA, but, in the simplest models, the founder male will have been the ancestor of each autosomal sequence in 4% of the population and X-chromosomal sequence in 2.7%, with implications for the medical genetics of the region. Large-scale changes to patterns of human genetic variation can occur very quickly. Although local influences of this kind may have been common in human populations, it is, perhaps, fortunate that events of this magnitude have been rare.





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What this means is that Ghengis Khan liked to get around!!
Wow, a question which is probably thought of by a lot of people but rarely asked.





I think the answer is that there were actually once three ';caucasian races';- Mediterenean, Nordic, and Alpine. There was a loot of mixing in prehistoric times between various caucasian peoples than there was among others and I think that might explain the variation.





But I think there is a lot of variation in other races than is observed by the average caucasian.
I have lived in Japan now for almost 8 months. When I first came here I felt the same way, that they almost all look the same, but then they said the same thing to me that they think all foreigners look the same. But as I have lived for so long you begin to see differences. They have just as many different facial features as any body else who is not Asian. It is true about their eyes and hair, but even those have a wide variety from the courseness of the hair to the shade of brown. I have seen some eyes that are almost blonde to those that are black. You just have to be around the other type of people to really start noticing the differences.
actually, there was a study published way back in the 19th century that dealt with this issue. It related facials profiles and skull structures to different ethnic groups. sorry, i can't remember the title. the article was discredited later on b/c it made too many assumptions and generalisations. i'm pretty sure there r other, more conclusive papers out there though.





For the most part, ';Orientals'; do look really similar (watch out with that word... some really sensitive groups frown upon it... somethin to do with the railways or mines). black/brown hair... usually straight, almond shaped eyes. besides these features, i think other recognition characteristics are as variable as Europeans.





As a Fil-Can, it's very easy for me to tell who's a Filipino and who's not. However, I can't tell the difference between Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Taiwanese, or Vietnamese if my life depended upon it. Overall, i'd say the variation is more subtle in Asians.
First define ';Orientals'; and re-think your question..I have not found - all have dark brown eyes, or flat faces...some of the most beautiful faces in the world, even into old age !!!!!!!!
Yes, just go to the mall and look around.